By Simon Hornblower
This can be the second one quantity of a three-volume old and literary statement of the 8 books of Thucydides, the good fifth-century BC historian of the Peloponnesian conflict among Athens and Sparta. Books iv-v.24 disguise the years 425-421 BC and include the Pylos-Spakteria narrative, the Delion crusade, and Brasidas' operations within the north of Greece. This quantity ends with the Peace of Nikias and the alliance among Athens and Sparta. a brand new characteristic of this quantity is the complete thematic creation which discusses such issues as Thucydides and Herodotus, Thucydide's presentation of Brasidas, Thucydides and kinship, speech--direct and indirect--in iv-v.24, Thucydides and epigraphy (including own names), iv-v.24 as a piece of paintings: cutting edge or only incomplete? Thucydides meant his paintings to be "an eternal ownership" and the ongoing value of his paintings is undisputed. Simon Hornblower's observation, by means of translating each passage of Greek commented on for the 1st time, permits readers with very little Greek to understand the aspect of Thucydides' concept and subject-matter. a whole index on the finish of the amount.
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Past history from the period covered by Thucydides himself; and I shall discuss those in section 5 (below, p. But Herodotean allusions do not seem to occur in the iv-v. 24 speeches. That is not because such 88 ·· R. Osborne. 'A Crisis in Archaeological History? The Seventh Century BC in Attica'. BSA 84 (1989). 297-322 at 296. compare 321. 31 Introduction references dry up after book iii; on the contrary I believe (see below, p. 84) that Alcibiades' claim that his family were hostile to tyranny pre supposes Herodotus vi.
The Greek in Thucydides is ττ) άτραπώ παρελθόντων των ilcpacov, 'when the Persians got round them by thepatfi, the well-known path, 1 suggested. I grant that the story was not invented or first put into circulation by Herodotus. But Thucydides' language is brief and allusive—though not obscure; I conceded in 1992 that the word ατραπός was not quite unique in Thucydides, being used at iv. 129. 4. Kcnnelly, however, offers the following argument against me: there were just two words the Greeks could choose from for path or track, ατραπός and τρίβος.
To admit the similarity but say there is no need to posit a debt. If the parallel is more lengthy and complex, the move will be to point up the discrepancies, and there will be some, and to say 'look at these discrepancies, they show Thucydides wasn't following Herodotus faithfully, therefore he wasn't following him or criticizing him at all'. As to the first strategy, I myself in 1992 listed a number of passages which though offering parallels did not, I argued, require us to suppose Herodotus was in Thucydides' mind; 1 added that sometimes other people such as Hellanicus may have been the objects of his remarks.
A Commentary on Thucydides: Volume II: Books IV-V. 24 by Simon Hornblower